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Old 03-08-2007, 11:22 AM   #1
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Air vs. Juice

This is a pretty good article that MiniTruckin put out. May help you decide which way you may want to go, or just good for some reading/learning about the "other side".

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Old 03-08-2007, 12:16 PM   #2
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Seems like a fair article. Good find.

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Old 03-08-2007, 12:38 PM   #3
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Looks like alot of common sense in the last page (page 3) for keeping things reliable.

I'm also curious how one would create a suspension system around hydraulics? Perhaps the hydraulics just control the height of the spring perch? I'm not sure how that accumulator works for controlling the assumed horrible ride??

Anyone here running juice that would care to enlighten us?
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Old 03-08-2007, 01:04 PM   #4
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Looks like alot of common sense in the last page (page 3) for keeping things reliable.

I'm also curious how one would create a suspension system around hydraulics? Perhaps the hydraulics just control the height of the spring perch? I'm not sure how that accumulator works for controlling the assumed horrible ride??

Anyone here running juice that would care to enlighten us?
Yeah, some of it seems common sense...but there is also a lot of people that lack common sense in general. LOL

Not exactly sure what your asking, other than that the hydraulic fluid is pumped into cyliinders to provide lift/drop. Of course they are mounted to an a-arm or rear suspension link much like bags. Speed/power is provided by battery power that is applied to the pumps, ect.

I believe the accumlators just keep the fluid from flowing back and forth as much going over a bump, almost acting like a shock in the line. Air suspension vehicles usually overcome this transfer of air by running 2 valves per corner instead of one...helps with body lean in turns and such.

Ive never worked on juice, owned anything with it, or anything of that matter...just going off of stuff Id compiled over the years.
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I was asking more along the lines of how you make it a suspension at all. Liquid is uncompressable, so adding a cylinder in there makes it like adding a solid rod in the suspension in place of the spring, where an airbag is technically an airspring.
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Old 03-08-2007, 01:27 PM   #6
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Think it depends on the line pressure, much like air....85psi of air in a bag rides a whole lot softer than say if you had 200psi in it. So the hydraulic fluid has a certain amount of pressure behind it, be it soft or hard..and still flows back and forth..which is why they use acumulators to slow down/soften the ride.

Anyone feel free to correct me!
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They explain it at the bottom of page 2. Basically, the accumulator has a nitrogen balloon in it that the hydraudlic fluid compresses whenever the car hits a bump. The bonus is that the "spring rate" set by the nitrogen pressure in the balloon, and so it doesn't matter how much fluid you have in the cylinder, the "spring rate" stays constant. So it doesn't matter what ride height your at, the suspension responds the same.

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Old 03-08-2007, 01:54 PM   #8
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LOL, appreciate the clarification.
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Wow, somebody is knowledgeable.

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